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Well Behaved Women Rarely Make History - Same For Boys
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[info]yduras

I ran across this article on the del.icio.us popular page: How the Schools Shortchange Boys

I was expecting the usual neo-masculist whining about how letting icky gurls be involved in the adult world just ruins everything. And I wasn't wrong. The interesting thing is, much of what he pegs as wrong about the educational system is, in fact, wrong, if not for the reasons he projects. I think the author just has issues with women.

And some of it is just crazy. His first example of how "feminized" the schools are is that a boy was on a discipline list for demanding, during class "Why do we have to do this crap anyway?". Apparently, because the teacher who took offense was female, this is an example of the female insistence on docility oppressing the rational male impulse. I blinked. You mean to tell me, that a hundred years ago, back when everything was right in the world and women knew their place, a boy demanding that in the middle of class wouldn't have gone home with a black-and-blue backside? School classrooms have always been authoritarian places.

And I love this quote

Boys will pin you to the wall like a moth. They want a rational explanation for everything. If unconvinced by your reasons... or if you don't bother to offer any... they slouch contemptuously in their chairs, beat their pencils, or watch the squirrels outside the window. Two days before the paper is due, girls are handing in the finished product in neat vinyl folders with colorful clip-art title pages. It isn't until the boys notice this that the alarm sounds. "Hey, you never told us 'bout a paper! What paper?! I want to see my fucking counselor!"

This just cracks me up. The author attributes the objection to doing stupid things just because you're told to as a masculine trait. It may surprise my readers to discover that I, myself, am female. (I know! My demeanor is so overwhelmingly masculine, many people are surprised.) And yet, I clearly recall nearly failing a few classes in high school because I refused to waste my time on makework. I must secretly be a boy.

Although maybe I am still feminine after all, because I have little sympathy for the boy who mouthed off in class and was surprised to be punished, nor the hypothetical boys who could not be bothered to do assigned work and then complain to the counselor. The lesson here isn't "be a girl", it's "just because its stupid, doesn't mean it's not going to affect my grade." (This extends to the business world as well - how many of us have stupid job goals that nonetheless affect our evaluations and thus our payscale?) I screwed myself out of the National Honor Society with that sort of behavior, and while some of that was the fault of a lousy system, it was also a result of my decision not to play the game.

The author's next example is an educational seminar he had to take wherein they were told to make a lesson plan for a group of mixed ability students. The female teachers actually tried to make a lesson plan and the men stood around and complained it was stupid. The author claims:

The women, all dedicated teachers, understood this, too. But that wasn't the point. Treating people as equals was a social goal well worth pursuing. And we contentious boys were just too dumb to get it.

Maybe what the "contentious boys were too dumb to get" was not that it was a worthwhile assignment but that "just because grouping students that way is stupid doesn't mean that the administration won't give us classes made up that way, and we may as well have a tactic for dealing with it." Lots of things in life suck, and while blind acceptance won't make it suck less, neither will standing around and whining about it.

There is a grain of truth in the complaint about the whole "do it because you're told, not because it makes sense" thing in the schools. Where I differ is in the idea that this is there to make boys more like girls. It's there because they're trying to make everyone into obedient little automatons. If (and this is a big if) girl's respond better to that in the school environment, maybe that has less to do with girls being inherently docile, but the fact that girls get that instruction in other social environments, so at school its just more of the same.

Oh, and hey, I don't exist:

It’s here that the alphabet soup of supposed male dysfunctions begins. And make no mistake: while girls occasionally exhibit symptoms of male-related disorders in this world, females diagnosed with learning disabilities simply don't exist.

Glad to hear it, pal. Now that I don't have Attention Deficit anymore, my life will be tons easier. Thanks!

The article goes on to complain that too many students are places in special education for reasons that are too flimsy. And he's right. Our school system (and society in general) is far too quick to treat any deviation from the norm as a disease and to medicate and institutionalize rather than actually look at individual cases. One of my best friends in grade school was shoved into speech therapy class because the school did not know how to deal with ESL. Another (an excellent writer) was denied access to advanced English classes in high school because she tested too poorly in math. Both were female, despite the author's insistence that this sort of thing only happens to boys (and white boys at that).

This isn't a boys vs girl's battle - this is a forced conformity vs. the individual battle. We feminists didn't do this to you. Why in the world would the people who spent the last hundred years fighting tooth and nail for permission not to be docile little cogs want to impose the same thing onto our daughters and sons? We don't like being told to sit down and shut up any better than you do. Now what do you want to do about it?

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Great rant! And on his theory, I don't exist, either.


Lovely.

But didn't you know? "Boys will be boys." And we can't teach them to be BETTER people, because that's oppression. No, we have to pander to their needs and wants and be their best buddies and teach them that they're the future top-of-the-totem-pole we know they are, just because they were born with penises.

Ugh.

I really hate how some aspects of psychology have been twisted by the education system.

Yeah, the school system inherently favors girls. *rolls eyes*

Seriously, if that were the case why was it that when I got into a brawl on the playground and seriously injured a kid, I was sent to rage management classes. The other kid, the one who started it and didn't get hurt, *he* had to sit on the naughty wall for two recesses.

Why was my blindingly brilliant female cousin declined admission into a high school physics class because she had yet to take home ec?

With the exception of the removal of beatings from the schools, the systems very simliar to the way it's been for hundreds of years. And for most of that time boys did fine.

Maybe it's not that school systems are against teh menfolk, maybe it's that young men and boys today are not being trained and indoctrinated into the "shut up and deal" way of thinking at an early age.

Once upon a time young men had to earn respect. Now for some reason they seem to think they are entitled to it for the sake of existing. I think that has more to do with why boys are doing poorly in school, rather than a favoring of girls.

But what the hell do I know, I'm just a girl.

Alright! I don't exist either! Woo hoo!!

right. schools havn't been shortchanging girls since oh, the beginning of time. whine whine.


>>females diagnosed with learning disabilities simply don't exist.

Wow!

I gotta call my tutoring students and let them know! Or wait, do nonexistent people have phone numbers?

P. S. And I totally didn't get sent to the principle's office in third grade for using a four-letter word in a rant over an assignment I didn't believe we'd been given. (Maybe that doesn't count, because I fully realized afterward that I had been stupid. So that makes me a GIRL. Or something.)

*eyeroll*

*sigh*

There is SO MUCH wrong with our school system. People need to talk about it, but this guy needs to remove his misogynistic vendetta from the picture.

I exist, but it's primarily because I'm clearly a man. As far as I know, I don't have a learning disorder. However, I actually did manage to fail Algebra I and end up in summer school. I had the highest testing average of all of his classes, but I couldn't see the point of doing 100 math problems when it only took me ten to learn the skills (the first three problems to learn, a random four from the middle to challenge what I learned, and the last three to test myself). Busywork taught me nothing but hatred of math, which kind of sucks because I was actually good at it.

Or maybe I'm a girl, after all, because I didn't actually swear and snarl and fuss while I wasn't doing homework. I was just "capable of doing better."

The one that drives me nuts is the assertion that boys are genetically predisposed to be more disruptive and less empathic than girls are. Well, okay, assume that's true: wouldn't the solution be to spend more time practicing cooperation and empathy skills with boys? If a child has difficulty reading, you don't just say "Ok, the hell with that then, teaching you to read would clearly be going against your nature, so you can just listen to audiobooks for the rest of your life." You read to them and get books from the library on topics they really like and talk about reading and leave notes in their lunchboxes or whatever. So what's with the idea that if you have a little boy with poor social skills, the answer is to free him from the obligation of using social skills? You should be spending your time encouraging him to learn them!

Because the bald truth of it is, no matter whether you're a boy or a girl, lacking social skills fucking sucks. I should know. No little boy should be doomed to an awkward adolescence of being rejected by girls, beat up by bullies, and sitting alone in his room playing video games all weekend just because his parents were convinced that social skills are "girly" when he was a youngster. :P

Thank you....and Amen

[info]suzicpa

2006-08-29 08:15 pm (UTC)

I don't have anything to contribute to this conversation, other than to say thank you all for saying what you have said.

I am a female who was in LD classes her whole school career. And I very much see myself in your comments.

After reading something (the piece you were discussing) so.....adverse to truth and logic, it is nice to be able to hear people speak out with truth and logic.....

So thank you and Amen.

Suzi

Lemme at him. I'll inherently docile his ass!

*snort* Really. I, too, want a rational reason for everything, and if I don't get it, I will ignore you and find it myself. I also found it faster to crunch through the idiot work, as it didn't take much time and then I could do what *I* wanted to.

Er, that was me. Stupid computer.

females diagnosed with learning disabilities simply don't exist.

Uh, what? When was the last time he was in a classroom? 'Cause even in my mainstream classes, I've had *lots* of girls with diagnosed LD, not to mention in the self-contained classes.

Girls with ADD often go undiagnosed if it doesn't include the hyperactivity component, yes, because that behavior is very noticeable and more common in boys. But LD in general? I've taught plenty of girls with IEPs, 504s, etc.

Boys may be asked to behave "better" than they'd like (to be quieter, to sit more still), but you know what? The standards for girls' behavior are way, way higher.

Attention deficit disorder is so 1994.

All the cool kids have Aspergers! Heck, most of them are self-diagnosed!! The rest are diagnosed by the easter bunny and Santa.

I tuned out of your post after the first quote... I don't need to read people refuting stuff I haven't read / don't care about...

But the poe song caught my eye! Dolphin! Awesome :)

But sweetie, that's why I linked to the original article...

In any case, yes, I do like Poe. At work I've been using www.pandora.com to get a nice rotation.

I won't say that I agree with all of the authors points... but there have been few things more infuriating in my life than getting told to put my hand down, "Because the teacher wanted to hear from some women now." There is a dark often unacknowledged sign of the feminist revolution (which yes, I do think needed to happen). Just because you want to see more women, "Especially in math and science." doesn't give you free reign to teach the creative, intelligent, young men in a class badly.

Whereas I was told not to bother with Physics

[info]yduras

2006-08-30 05:03 pm (UTC)

...because girls aren't good at that sort of thing.

I think that's more a case of a bad teacher than something endemic in the system.

Re: Whereas I was told not to bother with Physics

[info]conanmagruder

2006-08-31 07:15 am (UTC)

I had it occur from at least five different teachers and professors throughout highschool and college. The worst was in a senior seminar.