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Mental Illness Sucks A Whole Lot
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[info]yduras

So, the question of the hour is why haven't I moved yet. The room at [info]aiskon's place is ready, and kind of has been. It's that I need to get my apartment into a condition where anything can be removed from it.

If you know me, you know I have clinical depression and dysthymia. If you're a casual lj-reader and don't know me, well, um, enjoy the voyeurism.

A big part of the reason why I want to move is that I've been on my own for about ten years now, and it has not, on the whole, been good for me. In that time I've had a number of major episodes, and one of the lessons I've learned from crawling out of that pit over and over is that I do better if I have people at the edges dropping me ropes. Partially it's a mental trick where I can make myself function to avoid disappointing anyone else until I like myself enough again to start being my own reason for functioning. Partially the fact that I have this incredible deep shame about being depressed. I can't bear to have it witnessed, and I'll present as though I were fine rather than allow anyone to see me broken. Pretending to be ok is not the same as being ok, but it keeps me from doing some of the damage that causes stumbling blocks to recovery.

So the thing is, I present pretty well most of the time. As far as most people see. When I left the job at the pharma company after three years, I mentioned at the farewell party that I have clinical depression (I'd been careful to never mention it at work - a boss finding out cost me the job before that one.) My co-worker, with whom I'd worked closely the whole three years, exclaimed "But you're so cheerful!" Because I can bury it, most of the time, and only lose things into the pit that hurt me to lose. As long as nobody's hurt but me, it doesn't matter anyway.

And now we get into why I am still in the little apartment. You see, one of the things I stop doing when I have an episode is I stop tidying. When I recover, I'm generally well enough to carry on from that point, but not really to go back and backfill what didn't get done when I was under. So I have archaeological layers representing various depressive episodes I've had over the last several years. And they need to be excavated. And I cannot ask for help because that would involve allowing other people to see how broken I am. [This is not, by the way, a cry for help. If I want help I will goddamned well ask for it directly.]

I've put eight large bags of trash out, and that's probably not half of what I'll have to do. I never really realized it, but I succumb to some of the mainstream thought after all - the one that says that depression is not a real mental illness. Not like MPD or Autism or schizophrenia. And I've had to face, this week, that I may not belong in a hospital, but this is not a minor thing. This is the sort of thing that people see on the news and pity the sad old lady. This is the sort of thing that gets calls made to social services or the health department. Sane people do not live like this. I don't mean this as an insult to myself. It's just a strange sort of epiphany to realize that successfully hiding the magnitude a mental illness doesn't actually mean it doesn't exist. And just because it hurts nobody but me doesn't actually make it less serious.

The good news, of course, is that I am making headway. I don't know when I'll be ready, but I've made more progress in the last four days than in the last four weeks on getting ready to go. And yeah, [info]grandbuddha, I took my pills today.


Thanks for the link to dysthymia. That was interesting reading, and it wasn't something I'd heard of before. It seems to match whatever it is I have, so it was good to read about it!

Good luck continuing to make headway. Throwing out 8 bags is amazing! And it's something I really need to force myself to do, too.

It's funny how "presenting well" can mask all the things that go on inside. I do that, too. People are always telling me how happy and cheerful I am. As if! And I think that makes it harder to deal with the depression.

Best of luck to you!

*hugs* Sylvia. I know you can't help thinking less of yourself... but none of the rest of us do. You may not be able to not feel ashamed, but I hope you at least rationally realize you don't need to be.

Have I told you recently how much I admire you? Cause I totally do.

I've battled depression all my life. I know how hard it is, and moving is tough for anyone. *hugs*

were did you get the icon honey i want one.

I am glad to see i am not the only person that uses the term broken. people hate that i use it but it is so true. {hugs}

Re: I cropped it out of a webcomic

[info]rednetra

2005-11-16 06:47 am (UTC)

no honey i ment your user Icon the one that looked like you

because you love me can you make me one i cna not seem to get it to work. hugs

As you well know, I have mostly the same thing. I drop out of contact with people, hole myself up in my townhouse, and just coast on autopilot for a while. And one of the things my autopilot is not good at is putting things away after I'm done playing with them.

Part of the way I force myself to do things about it, is by deliberately exposing myself to people in such a way that I can embarrass myself into cleaning/fixing things/etc. Hence the reason why I let you in to see my cluttered living room on Halloween. Keep in mind that I rarely sit in the living room - it was lightyears cleaner than my bedroom or office, the two disaster areas in my house. Being embarrassed that you saw my mess led me to clean it better for when [info]renegade_geek threw her party at my house. By the time people started showing up, I'd actually put everything away and vacuumed.

So, I know where you are coming from, and (ramble aside) I'll support you any way you like. You need the same sort of kick in the ass? I don't live far away.

i second the thank you about the dysthymia link! something to discuss with the therapist this week (who, btw, is on St. Paul Street in Westfield. saw your westfield lj tag and read the entry with the google map. I can see her building!). We've been focusing on the anxiety and parnoia lately, and i've been neglecting the depression.

Are you moving far from Westfield? I'm in Springfield, and could certainly use more friends in the area - I'd like to get to know you better in "real life" as opposed to this voyeuristic lj friendship.

Good luck with your move! I've moved SEVEN times in the last two years and it never stops sucking.

-Nicole

I'm moving to Rahway, which is not too far (just the other side of Clark).

If you're interested, any time I post a movie announcement, it really is an open invitation. You'd be welcome to show up at any of the movie nights. (We tend to hit South Plainfield or North Brunswick which is a little south for you, but not egregiously far).

ew, don't tell me you go to Regal in N Brunswick. Damn punkass gangsta wanna-be teenagers :-P (I grew up in East Brunswick - my parents are still there - and used to enjoy Regal until the hordes of teenagers started showing up in droves...)

Thanks for the open invite :-)

That's ok. We're a bunch of cranky thirtysomethings - we can take the teenbopper poseurs.

Boy do I understand this one. One of the reasons I have the D&D meeting at my house on Saturday nights is because it helps me clean up the living room and kitchen once a week. Otherwise they go for weeks without cleaning. And it was a lot worse when I was in my 20s or 30s before I started taking meds. I'm having problems getting things done this week too. And I'm not working this week. Good luck!

Hee, I'm glad I'm not the only one who uses regular gaming sessions as motivation to clean! Seriously, it's was amazing how quickly my housework habits degrades when I'm between games and I don't feel I have to clean up for anyone (when I'll finally accept that I'm worth cleaning up for, I don't know...)

I've never thought of it that way, just that I'm used to my own 'dirt'. I keep trying to use the 'keep on top of it' method. Of course I keep failing but the problem is that its the only way that will work becuase 'you' (or I or whomever) just don't have the energy to do big cleaning sessions.

Living with someone will help a lot. I spent years of my life battling dysthymia. Not fun. Living with people definitely helps, I think. Be well.

*hugs* It's very hard. I'm still largely undiagnosed, but the dysthymia sounds a lot like what I go through. And I have a lot of familiarity with the patterns and the processes you're describing.

I'm glad that you're pushing through and getting progress made; I know how good that feels. :-D Keep at it, and know that there are lots of people around who love you.

Well, it does hurt people other than you. But that's neither here nor there. You know how I feel about this, and it's not only a REAL mental illness but a real illness. They're finding more and more things out about how depression affects the brain, the heart, etc.

If, and only if you think you can deal with reading about it, Against Depression is a wonderful book. It'll be out in paperback next summer, I think.

Oh, and cause I forgot to say it, and cause you need to hear it, luck with the excavations, and you do have friends who care. Huggles.

Yep. I've got the same deal going. I haven't been able to move through my office/library/sacred space room for the better part of 2 years now, because I can't bring myself to go in and pick up the mess I've created over the last many months of depression and such. I'm glad you're making headway.

"This is the sort of thing that people see on the news and pity the sad old lady. This is the sort of thing that gets calls made to social services or the health department. Sane people do not live like this. "

S.....Items:

I have known you in person now for over twenty years...I still remember you from middle school....Uncategorically, I am proud of you. I am proud to tell people that I am still in touch with you. Why? Because you are and have been darn successful...(just like me, and I have low grade chronic depression with excavation areas too) in comparison to the rest of the world....which leads me to the next thought...

Any given person who would be sitting at home watching TV going pity the sad lady, will probably be only doing that because they haven't been as successful as you, so they have nothing better to do.

Don't care about what other people think...love yourself for no other reason than to love yourself. Noone is so special they have a right to judge you. Noone. Let yourself make mistakes. Never be afraid to be proud of yourself.

Love,

Suzi, CPA

Hi. Followed you here from Hero Games; hope you don't mind.

I suffered from depression for most of my life, until, in college, I became overwhelmed with it, and it finally got bad enough that people noticed something was wrong with me. I was hospitalized twice, then put on Effexor and given counseling. After about a month of that, the veil lifted, and I found myself capable once again of thinking optimistically, looking forward to things, and enjoying life. Eventually, they halved, then quartered my dosage, and, under a psychiatrist's care, took me off it entirely. When I was able to report to the counselor for another month and report progress, they let me stay off it.

I'm not "cured," by any means. I do still have to fight it on a regular basis. My first symptom is having to force myself to clean, do laundry, do dishes, do ANYTHING but sit on the computer. I could probably use some counseling still. But it's just a part of who I am now, rather than ALL of it.

So if you need help, support, whatever, drop me a line. I'm friending you, so I'll be keeping an eye out.

Ahh, I love internet stalkers

[info]yduras

2005-11-23 06:55 pm (UTC)

I don't mind at all that you followed from the HERO boards - more friends are always better!

I just want to be really clear here. I have never, EVER, pitied you.

I have heard you when you were upset, and I have worried about you...not because I pitied you in any way. I worried about you because I heard pain in your voice and I love you and I wanted to make that go away, if there was a way to make that happen. I worried because any time you see anything you care about and it's hurting you want to do something. I wanted to do something for you.

I am sorry that you're feeling this way...and I'd wager that the upcoming holiday isn't helping. Do you have a place to go for the holidays? Would you like one? You could witness my panic-attack cooking, if you like.

If it is easier to use me for assistance than other people because I've already seen a piece of it, by all means use me. I'm willing to haul out and bag stuff. Just give me until after my Thanksgiving breakdown if you can. Once I get over the cooking jitters I should be in fair enough shape to bag and haul with the best of them.

I have never once thought less of you because of your pain. Not once. I have only always wished you would be pro-active quicker, as opposed to waiting for the fed-up point...but even then, I've never thought less of you for that. I've always figured you'd get there eventually.

I still do.

Love.

I, like Alice, also followed you here from Hero Games db. We've also (I believe) met once at I-Con--we were playing in one of Tom's (if I remember his name correctly) Champions games.

SA, you'll be in my prayers. I sincerely hope you'll feel better.

I certainly know about the levels of detritus that can build up over time. I'm not clinically depressed, per se, but I do have a problem with depression, and like you, my apartment is in severe levels of disarray. I can dig it, friend. There are days when the only things that keep me going are my computer, my job, my music, and my book collection, which has also been sadly neglected of late.

Also, another thing that keeps me going: I'm simply too ornery to give up, dammit. ;)